Now that ain't right....although my wife has a Min Pin, everyone once in awhile I have this urgeSkunk Ape wrote:,wiener dogs for chumming sharks,
Ultimate over all hunting dog?
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Re: Ultimate over all hunting dog?
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Re: Ultimate over all hunting dog?
All 5 in my kennel lol. All I have are crossed up dogs.
Nothing is overall the 'best' for every game. My deer dogs will cold trail and run the pee out of a deer but would never be gritty enough to catch a hog or tree a coon.
Dogs should be judged individually and possibly by their respective breed and that's it. Certain traits are relatively strong for the breed but not in every animal. I prefer the nose and calmness of a beagle but speed and drive in a walker.
If I had to choose one dog to tree coons, bay hogs, and run deer etc it would be a toss-up between a treeing walker or plott hound.
This english female dog I have now will trail a deer or hog and bay pretty good, but she isn't as gritty as the curs.
Nothing is overall the 'best' for every game. My deer dogs will cold trail and run the pee out of a deer but would never be gritty enough to catch a hog or tree a coon.
Dogs should be judged individually and possibly by their respective breed and that's it. Certain traits are relatively strong for the breed but not in every animal. I prefer the nose and calmness of a beagle but speed and drive in a walker.
If I had to choose one dog to tree coons, bay hogs, and run deer etc it would be a toss-up between a treeing walker or plott hound.
This english female dog I have now will trail a deer or hog and bay pretty good, but she isn't as gritty as the curs.
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Re: Ultimate over all hunting dog?
and cur dogs for hogs!Skunk Ape wrote:Brittney spaniels for birds,beagles for bunnies,beagles for blood trailing,german shepards for coons,treeing walkers for racoons,wiener dogs for chumming sharks,
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I care about my 2 weiner dogs than I do most people...Now, Yorkie's on the other hand..............
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1/2 american pit 1/2 Akita, Although my extent at hunting while using a dog is hearing him growl and end up having to put down some critter he ripped apart. If I had him as a pup i'm sure he would have been an excellent hog dog due to speed, brains and his over sized pit jaws.
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You know, in my line of work I have been in thousands and thousands of customers homes. In every single home that has an Akita, every one of them have been extremely aggressive
Don't want to sound like I am knocking a breed, because there are plenty that get an unfair labeling. That's just what I have observed.
Heck, I had one customer that I could not ring his doorbell. I had to pull over and call him when I was 5 minutes away so he could lock the dog up. ANd that was an outside service, I didn't even go inside. The dog would break a window to get out he was so mean
Don't want to sound like I am knocking a breed, because there are plenty that get an unfair labeling. That's just what I have observed.
Heck, I had one customer that I could not ring his doorbell. I had to pull over and call him when I was 5 minutes away so he could lock the dog up. ANd that was an outside service, I didn't even go inside. The dog would break a window to get out he was so mean
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I thought you were a teacup chihuahua man,lol.
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there is an org called NAVDA, north American versatile hunting dog assoc. co founded by Boto Winterholt for good dogs the akc wouldn't recognize. he basicly invented the pudel pointer breed as a mix of spanish water pudels and english pointers primarily shortly after ww-2 and introduced them to North America in the mid to late 50's. many rich/famous and knowledgeable people use them. Bing Crosby, and more recently Jamison Parker use them. they are great swimmers,large enough at 60-70 lbs, fast,good nose/soft mouth, find,point,hold,flush on command, stay steady to shot and can be trained for just about anything. he also worked a good deal with brittany's. a classic navda type would be a german shorthair. I agrre with skunk theres no 1 breed that does it All best.
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I don't know anything about them but Supercracker has one...a Drathaar!
(Pic from the internet)
They just look COOL! I want to smoke a pipe next to a dog like that! I bet he could point quail, retrieve ducks, bay a hog, recite poetry and drink scotch with me around a fire and never miss a beat!
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They just look COOL! I want to smoke a pipe next to a dog like that! I bet he could point quail, retrieve ducks, bay a hog, recite poetry and drink scotch with me around a fire and never miss a beat!
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I wanted 2 of em so bad and had access to winterholt bred and trained, but the wife didn't like the beard or wirehair and a bit 2 big. but am extremely in love with my 2 brits, wouldn't change a thing now.
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looks like he's saying elementary my dear Watson. too dam smart. my britt biotch was trying to train me to hold the doggie door open for her, and it almost worked.
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Re: Ultimate over all hunting dog?
hilarious.Skunk Ape wrote:Brittney spaniels for birds,beagles for bunnies,beagles for blood trailing,german shepards for coons,treeing walkers for racoons,wiener dogs for chumming sharks,
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Funny. I was thinking the same thing. lolblackpowderscout wrote:I don't know anything about them but Supercracker has one...a Drathaar!
They just look COOL! I want to smoke a pipe next to a dog like that! I bet he could point quail, retrieve ducks, bay a hog, recite poetry and drink scotch with me around a fire and never miss a beat!
Drahthaar is pretty much a Wirehaired Pointer but with really really strict standards and tightly controlled breeding requirements. (go here for a MUCH more detailed breakdown http://www.drahthaar.com/articles/different.html). The intent is to get rid of all of the non hunting that is being bred into the breed and make them back like they were when they were first bred. It's all regulated by zee Germans, so you know it runs like a Swiss watch. In order to be registered in the breed the dogs have to do specialized field trials, to breed they have to have achieved a certain score in the testing, and even then any proposed breeding must be approved by zee Germans.
Here's my little booger "Bismark" and his BIG brother Jaeger
This is Bismarks daddy, Bento. He's a STOUT solid dog.
Jaeger is a decent do all dog. Good bird dog, points rabbits, retrieves, he even points bedded down pigs and is a passable blood trailer. He doesn't like the water too much though.
Back in the days of the Kaiser guys were massively taxed for each gun and each dog. So you ended up with one gun for everything (3 barreled Shotgun/Rifle combo) and one dog for everything (various German Pointers). They really can do everything.
Here's a really cool video of one drahthaar
Retrieving doves at a shoot
Pointing and retrieving quail
Retrieving ducks from the water
Flushing and retrieving Pheasants
Blood trailing an Elk (24 or 40hrs old trail at the test, IIRC)
Blood trailing a whitetail
blood trailing a fox (zee Germans are big on foxes for some reason)
and Baying a pig in the swamp.
http://drahthaar-trulyversatile.com/video/
They really are cool dogs. Bismark seems to be really really smart and picks things up almost immediately. He's 15 weeks old and already is pointing birds, can trail a dragged pupperoni 20 or 30 yds, and will retrieve a thrown bumper til your arm goes numb from throwing it. I really need to get some rabbits and a couple of piglets to train him with. If it is AT ALL possible I'm want to train him to hunt while wearing a little hat and lederhosen. Just to annoy the gun dogs snobs. lol
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Make sure you give Bismark a stein full of beer after each hunt! Beautiful dogs!
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